I started with Elijah on this one, but went between thinking that Elijah clearly has a problematic Situation with his body, but that he seemed to be trying to influence David with his attitude about comics and heroes. I think Jim's Article The Fugitive: When A Situation Isn't A Situation is helpful and well-timed because I think it helps to see that Elijah isn't trying to influence David from his situation of a broken body, but from his perspective of an unbalanced universe. I think that would include all the stuff about Elijah being at one end of the spectrum and looking for someone on the other end of it, the way he thinks comics are about real life, his broken body, and all of it. (i also think Elijah's trying to influence David with his knowledge of comics feels more Psychological and Relational)
Yes, I think this is a good example of a switch not just from problem to solution, but also from Mind to Universe, as discussed in this thread.
I kind of thought maybe that's what the story was going for, but I'm having trouble seeing a "they" perspective, at least one that is shown to be problematic. Ultimately I saw all of the criminals as being there strictly for David's personal throughline. But then, that's why I asked. To see how others see it.
I think all it would have taken for me to see this as a proper OS throughline would be something like this. When the news reports about the derailed train or the exploding jet or burning building are being shown, have a transition either to or from a report about a killer on the loose and a missing family. It's not much, but it would have brought it out of just David's throughline and into the Overall Story. At least for me.
Good explanation and I can see where you're coming from. Since I didn't really think there was much OS, I can't really speak to this much. I'm not married to the idea that the OS should be in Learning because I didn't look at the Concern level that much. But based on which way I was leaning in some of the other throughlines, I was looking at an OS Concern of learning. Like I said in the last post, I would have thought it would be about gathering information about who's behind all the tragedies, or gathering info about who does or doesn't have special abilities, or heck, even something closer to home for David. Gathering info about whether he was flirting with that woman on the train at the beginning (I was doing dishes during this part and don't remember it much, but my wife made a comment that he was flirting with her).
I didn't feel like David was hiding his strength. I didn't feel like he really knew he had these super abilities. All he seemed to be hiding is that he wasn't really hurt in the crash. He still assumed he could get sick or otherwise be injured so I'm not sure I like memories for him. Based on how I was initially looking at it, he would be in Conscious, or Contemplations. I would have said being conscious of his wife's (at the time, his girlfriend) feeling about football, he used the opportunity of the crash to get out of playing football.
It might also be a problem that he's never considered that he might have these abilities. Because he never considered that he was special, he got a job in security rather than being a straight out superhero. Because of that, he feels empty everyday until he starts acting as an actual superhero.
What had me looking at the lower right quadrant for Concerns was the relationship. One of Elijah's last lines was something like "now that i've shown you who you are, I finally know who i am." It was during the speech about how Elijah is David's nemesis. That kind of retroactively put a spin on the whole relationship of figuring out who they are to each other. Are they random strangers? Are they friends? Enemies? Hero and Nemesis?
Prior to that point in the film I would have said that Elijah's planning was largely to get David to conceive of himself as something special and David trying to get away from this line of thinking, thus driving them apart.
Looking at IC in Present, Elijah is always concerned with "am i going to get hurt if i do this...go down that staircase...whatever". He's also concerned with whether there is presently anyone else on the same spectrum as he, only on the other end.
All of my points above were just sharing my own initial thoughts on the movie. Not trying to argue or say your points were wrong. And definitely not trying to turn this into a sequel to the Captain America threads! That said, hope i didn't justify any of your dread! Thanks for jumping in and sharing your thoughts!