also, i’d phrase conceptualizing, at least in part, as something like “carrying through a plan to ignore Charles, Marcee, and Parcher”. He does his best to ignore them, but this is still a source of conflict that has him pacing around in front of the library yelling “you’re not real!”, a definite bit of conflict.
Exactly! That’s how,I thought I was supposed to look at it. I will read your explanation to this now. Thank you! I
Wow! Having an "aha moment. Taking this all in now, but really thanks ,again for the help. I know I have blind spots to understanding dramatica, but finally I get the source of conflict part. Way different than what I was trying to do with it. Like getting a new pair of glasses!! Thanks!!!
That’s awesome! I’m glad to be a help. The two areas i’ve invested the most hours of study in would be “how is that a problem/source of conflict?” and “what the heck is holistic problem solving?” so it’s always fun for me to talk about either and extremely rewarding to feel like I can help others in those areas.
have you seen the from conflict to storyform thread? It’s where I outlined a method to have a “Source of Conflict leads to Conflict” statement to help build a story. That’s sort of my take on Jim’s question of “How is that a problem?” It took me forever to figure out what that meant. I think what I was doing, and maybe what some others were doing, is hearing “source of conflict” but really just thinking “conflict” causing me to either have the SOC leads to C statement backwards or to just be missing part of the statement altogether.
I have not seen this thread, but reading it now! Thanks!!
Ok I love your method outlined in the thread you shared. It completely gives me a handle on conflict and source of conflict . Can’t wait to sit down and use this to make some story writing progress!! Thanks again!!
One movie recommendation that may feel very similar to A beautiful mind would be Shutter Island. Just a thought, seeing how its storyform compares to A Beautiful Mind might make some interesting discussion. Or it just may feel really redundant??? I really don’t know. But, I thought I would throw it out there.
Watching it now! Feel free to start a new thread whenever you’re ready and I’ll hop on.
I’m going to rephrase this again because carrying out a plan doesn’t feel like planning. And since it’s OS, I think it can be restated to include more of the OS perspective with something like “helping Nash to fit in” or “helping Nash find a place”. Still leads to the same conflict.
Im going to have to watch it again too. been a long time. Will start a new thread late today or possibly tomorrow!!
A new question I have had, and decided to ask. If Parcher and co are the Influence characters /RS and drive Cash to the story consequence of gathering information, does this mean the IC is also the antagonist?
I’m thinking about the consequences now. What would you say they are?
I was thinking he would be gathering codes and articles rest of his life
They do seem rather antognistic to his getting better.
Yes. This seems unique to have a story with an antagonist IC changed MC and a triumph story. I like it!!
I’m thinking it’s because the MC starts out doing what the IC characters want (from a storytelling standpoint, not from a storyform standpoint), so when he takes the IC perspective, it actually means NOT doing what the Villian IC wants. So that’s a good thing.
So, do I understand right then that there is good IC Charles whose perspective often is to get John to stop gathering information and eat for example. And villain IC Parcher who pursues the consequence to gather information. When John takes good IC Charles perspective he doesn’t do what villain IC wants and that’s the good thing. ??
I don’t know what I think about this. I’ll have to give it some thought and come back
When Charles tells him to stop studying, I don’t think it’s about avoiding consequences. It’s Charles trying to have an influence on John. The antagonist should be against John being seen for his genius instead of his crazy, Should prefer, perhaps, that the world not get a chance to learn or experience Johns true genius. I’d say Parcher definitely wants John to reconsider taking his meds and ignoring them.
Charles is more difficult, though. Maybe through offering John pizza and beer, he’s trying to get him to avoid coming up with that new idea? That doesn’t sound right.