# Breaking Down Story Units for Novels **URL:** \ **Category:** Writing\ **Created:** [April 29, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718 "2018-04-29T21:10:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jhull](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/jhull/32/3_2.png) [@jhull](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/jhull)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/22 "2018-05-01T14:22:02Z")
> [@YellowSuspenders](#): > > What function does the fifth story driver serve given that the story is over? The story isn’t over until the fifth Story Driver. That would be the Concluding Event. ---
**Author:** ![YellowSuspenders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a6a055/32.png) [@YellowSuspenders](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/YellowSuspenders)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/23 "2018-05-01T17:24:13Z")
Permit me to rephrase my question. What is the function of making the concluding event a story driver? ---
**Author:** ![Panstraw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/panstraw/32/2140_2.png) [@Panstraw](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Panstraw)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/24 "2018-05-01T17:28:55Z")
Only an action can solve a problem which was created by an action, same for decision. It’s about consistency I guess. ---
**Author:** ![YellowSuspenders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a6a055/32.png) [@YellowSuspenders](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/YellowSuspenders)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/25 "2018-05-01T17:42:41Z")
The problem has already been solved by the time we get to the concluding event. ---
**Author:** ![mlucas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mlucas/32/275_2.png) [@mlucas](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/mlucas)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/26 "2018-05-01T17:46:17Z")
> [@YellowSuspenders](#): > > The problem has already been solved by the time we get to the concluding event. Wait, why do you think that? e.g. The concluding event in Star Wars is Luke blowing up the Death Star. The problem was most definitely NOT solved before that. ---
**Author:** ![Hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba9def/32.png) [@Hunter](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Hunter)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/27 "2018-05-01T17:56:17Z")
I see it this way: The first and last Story Drivers “bookmark” the scope of the problem and (possible) solutions being explored by a story. The first driver gives the sense of “There’s something to explore here,” while the last Story Driver says, “This problem has been explored as far as possible in this context (whether or not it was solved).” Since each Story Driver means to shift the direction of the narrative, making the concluding event of the story a Story Driver gives the event a sense of finality. It is the shift that shows there are no more directions to take. There’s one caveat: Starting with one type of driver, and concluding with the other (i.e. Action -\> Decision or Decision -\> Action) marks the story as feeling incomplete or open-ended. I suspect which it is depends on the skill of the writer. Anyone may feel free to correct me if I am off somewhere, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lakis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/lakis/32/1816_2.png) [@Lakis](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Lakis)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/28 "2018-05-01T17:59:45Z")
The final driver is analogous to what non-Dramatica story structure calls the Climax – which happens near the very end of Act III and is (maybe) followed up by a brief denouement/wrapping up. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![YellowSuspenders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a6a055/32.png) [@YellowSuspenders](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/YellowSuspenders)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/29 "2018-05-01T18:08:51Z")
> [@mlucas](#): > > e.g. The concluding event in Star Wars is Luke blowing up the Death Star. The problem was most definitely NOT solved before that. I’m pretty sure that the concluding event in Star Wars is when everyone gets their medals. ---
**Author:** ![YellowSuspenders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a6a055/32.png) [@YellowSuspenders](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/YellowSuspenders)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/30 "2018-05-01T18:11:29Z")
> [@Lakis](#): > > The final driver is analogous to what non-Dramatica story structure calls the Climax – which happens near the very end of Act III and is (maybe) followed up by a brief denouement/wrapping up. Is that correct? But, in @jhull outline, the concluding event is the FINAL scene. Since it is the final scene, there can be no denouement scene following it. ---
**Author:** ![bobRaskoph](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/bobraskoph/32/75_2.png) [@bobRaskoph](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/bobRaskoph)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/31 "2018-05-01T18:16:56Z")
…the final scene in a dramatica sense. ---
**Author:** ![jhull](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/jhull/32/3_2.png) [@jhull](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/jhull)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/32 "2018-05-01T18:22:22Z")
> [@YellowSuspenders](#): > > I’m pretty sure that the concluding event in Star Wars is when everyone gets their medals. The Concluding Event or Final Story Driver in _Star Wars_ is when the Death Star goes Ka-blooie. The Story Drivers in Dramatica are tied to the Overall Story Throughline and when the inequity in that Throughline is resolved (or unresolved as the case may be)–not when the presentation of the narrative ends. My outline above was to show how you would break up individual Signposts into individual sequences, not an exact outline that should be followed to the letter. Many stories end their Overall Story Throughlines and then carry out their fulfillment of the conclusion of Main Character, Influence Character, and Relationship Story Throughlines. _The Shawshank Redemption_ is a great example of this. The Concluding Event of that Throughline is when the Warden blows his head off. Then you have a whole bunch of Main Character stuff, then a smidge of Influence Character, and then finally you wrap up with Relationship Story Throughline. ---
**Author:** ![YellowSuspenders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a6a055/32.png) [@YellowSuspenders](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/YellowSuspenders)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/33 "2018-05-01T18:27:50Z")
Thank you. This is actually something I’ve always struggled with - how the Dramatica story form lies over the traditional three act structure. I can’t count how many times I’ve mistakenly thought the third journey was the denouement and got myself confused over that. Your post brings some much-needed clarity. ---
**Author:** ![didomachiatto](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/didomachiatto/32/1937_2.png) [@didomachiatto](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/didomachiatto)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:41am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/34 "2019-01-18T03:41:56Z")
> **[Breaking Down Story Units for Novels](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/15?u=didomachiatto)** > > When it comes to structuring your story, I would first start with the four signposts from each Throughline, and then the Story Drivers. So you might have: OS: Past - Progress - Future - Present MC: Doing - Learning - Obtaining - Understanding ... > [@jhull](#): > > Progress in terms of Strategy to Analysis Does this mean that the elements of the PSR also have to be presented in the order written? I understood the “sequence” of PSR was the Past, Progress, Future, Present and the four approaches needed to be presented in that Act, in whichever order. > [@jhull](#): > > Progress: Prerequisites, Strategy-\>Analysis, and Preconditions And if the order must be as given-- (is it forbidden to ask?)-- what’s the logic behind that? If you’re looking at a topic from four perspectives why does the order matter? ---
**Author:** ![jhull](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/jhull/32/3_2.png) [@jhull](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/jhull)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/35 "2019-01-18T05:25:04Z")
Some might say the order doesn’t matter, but it’s been my experience it does. It’s the same thing you’re seeing at the Signpost level—just from a different point of view. The order of events has meaning. ---
**Author:** ![didomachiatto](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/didomachiatto/32/1937_2.png) [@didomachiatto](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/didomachiatto)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:11am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/36 "2019-01-18T06:11:54Z")
> [@jhull](#): > > The order of events has meaning. Okay. Very good to know. Then… What factors (in storyform) lead to that SPECIFIC order that is produced by the PRC? I haven’t been able to find that, though I did read it’s not what we see in the Theme browser. At times like this I don’t want to go on blind faith “because they say so.” Who made the order and what is the logic behind the order theory? What exactly is the reasoning behind the order of elements left top/right top/left bottom/right bottom? (Spoken like a archetypical Skeptic, with apologies) * * * UPDATE I notice that the event list that shows up is sometimes (!) under the same domain as the signpost, sometimes under another throughline’s signpost, sometimes under a different act’s signpost of a different throughline. I’m wondering if it’s just a random spattering of ideas generated when you come to a final storyform. Regarding Suspense, Irony and Mystery (Armando’s book, Ch 22). He suggests moving concrete blocks into a different order to create suspense, etc. Would it not also be the case for the signpost events? ---
**Author:** ![Lakis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/lakis/32/1816_2.png) [@Lakis](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Lakis)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/37 "2019-01-18T11:56:22Z")
> [@didomachiatto](#): > > I notice that the event list that shows up is sometimes (!) under the same domain as the signpost, sometimes under another throughline’s signpost, sometimes under a different act’s signpost of a different throughline. I’m wondering if it’s just a random spattering of ideas generated when you come to a final storyform. It’s not random - pretty sure it’s part of the “secret sauce” Dramatica algorithm (like Signpost order) that Melanie and Chris figured out in the 90s. It has to do with how the storyform is “twisted up” like a rubik’s cube and unwound over the course of the story. So I don’t know if it’s possible (or necessary) to figure out why its that way, but the experience of a lot of people suggest it works. > [@didomachiatto](#): > > Regarding Suspense, Irony and Mystery (Armando’s book, Ch 22). > He suggests moving concrete blocks into a different order to create suspense, etc. Would it not also be the case for the signpost events? This is _storytelling_ rather than structure. So the order of events exists in one way in the story, but the author reveals them in a different order to create a certain dramatic effect. This is what Jim was getting at in that other thread you linked to: > [@Elements and PRCO, TKAD, SRCA and PASS](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/elements-and-prco-tkad-srca-and-pass/1771/5): > > While you could tell this Scene in the exact 1234 order, you could also Storyweave them in a complete different order while maintaining the structural integrity of the 1234 order. > > For instance, you could open up with the preteens descending on the town square, rebelling and vandalizing the area (Current). Perhaps a parent arrives to save their child from the Snatch Squad, revealing the older generations’ motivation for doing so (Resistance). The kid could end up being the Main Character and though he tries as hard as he can to resist, his father succeeds in securing him away just in time – and just in time to watch the rest of the children disappear off the streets forever. > > On the drive home, the father could be overly attentive and the son could take advantage of it (Outcome). They turn on the radio to hear the nightly reading the of the numbers–like a weather report, 13% from now and through the weekend (Potential). ---
**Author:** ![jhull](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/jhull/32/3_2.png) [@jhull](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/jhull)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718/38 "2019-01-18T17:27:43Z")
I should probably make this a hot key. [Plot Sequence Order](http://discuss.dramatica.com/t/deep-theory-dive/2243/2?u=jhull) > **[Deep Theory Dive](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/deep-theory-dive/2243/2?u=jhull)** > > Welcome to Discuss Dramatica. This question has been answered several times over: How does Dramatica Determine Signpost Order Signpost Order and Act Turn Drivers The Dramatica Alphabet One thing I’ve been wrestling with Why are Signposts... [Previous page](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/breaking-down-story-units-for-novels/1718.md?page=1)