Lion King storyform and Act Breakdown

Maybe I just subconsciously wanted the story to different from the dime-a-dozen Physics-Domain stories. :stuck_out_tongue: But more seriously, in looking at the story, I felt Being most closely represented the struggles in the story. Simba’s whole thing is he wants to Be king, but he doesn’t really understand all the responsibilities that comes with that. Scar, meanwhile, wants to Be king in order to earn the respect he never felt while living in Mufasa’s shadow. In order to properly Be king, they have to develop Ability that matches their Desire–Scar fails in his hubris, but Simba succeeds.

As to the Timelock… I don’t know. I’ve been following that thread (didn’t want to interject in the middle of a roiling conversation), but I don’t know how convinced I am. For me, the fundamental sensation of a Timelock is urgency: time is running out, and we have to act fast before success slips away from us. An Optionlock, by contrast, is about deliberation: we have to consider every option before picking the wrong one and letting the correct choice get away from us. The death of the Pridelands due to the reign of a false king has been a slow, painful death, but it’s still been continuous. And if, in an alternate version of the story, Simba was training instead of being lazy, and he said, “All right, I’ll come save you–just in a couple years, once I’m ready,” that wouldn’t work. The Pridelands are dying; they don’t have time for him to improve. I’m not as certain about earlier in the story, but my argument about how Scar needed to act to remove Simba from the picture before he grew old enough to take over for Mufasa feels legit. I can see that Scar executes two different options in attempting to kill Simba/Mufasa, but… I don’t know. I guess that doesn’t feel “Option-y” enough. :confused:

As to the Protagonist bit. Looking purely objectively, only one character Pursues the throne: Scar. I suppose you could argue that Simba Considers ruling justly like Mufasa, while Scar Reconsiders the arrangement between lion and hyena. That makes them non-archetypal Protago-Antagonists. (Nala isn’t a Protagonist; she’s the Sidekick, I’d wager. Mufasa’s Conscience, Rafiki’s Help, Zazu’s Hinder, Timon and Pumbaa are Temptation…) I think that clears up my concerns about the Protagonist deal. With two oppositional characters filling the Protagonistic elements, either one succeeding could potentially be Success, depending on framing.

But by all means, I’d love to see further thought on this. Let me know what you think a better storyform would be. (I just thought it was a shame Lion King hadn’t gotten a full analysis yet.)

I thought you had to define the Goal first to accurately see the Pursue element? It can’t just be “the throne”, it has to be something like “a just ruler for the Pridelands” or something like that*. Which Simba is pursuing at the end. He might even be pursuing it at the beginning too, just with the ignorant ambition of a kid who assumes he’ll make a great king.

I liked the attributes you assigned to other characters.

It’s been a while since I saw the film, but I do like the Psychology Domain. The question is, if you remove Scar’s scheming and trickery, is there still a problem? I would say no, which is evidence toward Psychology. But I’m not certain, because the Pridelands and all the Circle of Life stuff sort of imply that ruling this land is a challenge on its own. Even life itself can be a struggle. So maybe even without Scar there would still be the struggle of preparing Simba to be king? Yet that still sounds like Psychology, esp. Being!

* If you’re sure the OS Concern is Being you could tweak it to “being ruled by a just ruler” or “living under a just ruler”.

Not sure if this is what happening with what you’re saying , but subjectively (from the character’s or audience’s point of view) an Optionlock feels like time is running out whereas a Timelock feels like options are running out. When it comes to the Story Limit or any story appreciation found in the Dramatica storyform, sensation is completely locked out of the process.

I would be really surprised if The Lion King wasn’t your usual Main Character in Universe and Overall Story in Physics Genre.

I agree that there should be analysis, but I’m also pretty sure it will end up being very familiar :slight_smile:

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Tried figuring out this one a while ago but gave up (I’m not good at that though). Does the imbalance occur when Scar orchestrates Mufasa’s death? I’d think that an imbalance that leads to the OS Goal would occur earlier in a story (can’t remember when the stampede was).
The best I can think of is everyone has some concern of maintaining or tipping a balance in the way things are whether it’s for the ecosystem or succession of rulers. Maybe the OS Problem has something to do with Inequity. Hyenas and Scar don’t think the current system is fair, and once Scar (as if by magic) ruins the pridelands, the unbalanced food chain is not good for the hungry lionesses either.

I’m not sure if Simba’s problems about “I can’t be a ruler” or believing in Scar’s lie counts as a personal problem since that happens in this story, so I don’t know if that’s something he could take into any story.

Birth of the son and heir to the throne is the first Story Driver.

I think The Lion King started the trend of Disney films prematurely exhausting the Story Limit. Feels like they’ve been doing it ever since.

But specifically here, Mufasa’s death ends the story of “Raising the next Lion King” in Failure and then Timon and Pumbaa come along to distract everyone until the story picks up again…

Maybe it’s two storyforms, one starting after the other ends?

Mustafa’s death is the second Story Driver — the driver between the first and second Signpost. Simba finding out about Scar’s takeover is the driver between the 3rd and 4th Signposts. Simba defeating Scar is the last Story Driver.

It’s all one storyform.

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Jim, totally agree on the one storyform. But I’m wondering based on script length if Mufasa’s death would be the midpoint (third Story Driver)? I think the second Story Driver might be when Simba gets cornered by the hyenas and Mufasa has to save him.

(I’ll try to check the running times on the DVD when I’m home)

Oh, that could be. I couldn’t remember the midpoint Story Driver, so maybe that’s it. Feels late to me, but that may be the case.

What a nightmare. Everywhere I look online people point to Mufasa returning in the clouds as the Midpoint of the story. This isn’t right, is it? That seems way early to me. (Too lazy to watch the movie myself!)

Mufasa’s death (in the stampede) feels like halfway…

But Simba’s vision of Mufasa is waaay too late for a midpoint. That’s at least three-quarters through.

Yeah, the “Story Structure Database entry for The Lion King” is crazy inaccurate. It’s a great example though of what happens when people blend the Four Throughlines.

For reference here’s the OS Plot Progression:

and here’s the Plot Progression for the Influence Character Throughline:

I love the Memory signpost for Mufasa when he comes back and says “Remember me…” That feels completely right.

With a strong Midpoint that’s either Scar taking over or dad dying. Still seems late for the latter though.

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Well I guess this settles it - page 52 of 106:

Close enough for me!

And Elephant Graveyard is at 26, so that settles that one (and why I felt it was so weak - it was a slide, not a bump!)

Thanks @mlucas!

Oh wow, I didn’t really believe you when you said everyone else is claiming the vision is the midpoint. But yep, there it is, on a story structure website…

So bonkers.

It’s funny because, not having seen it in a while, I remembered Simba being shown to everyone and then Mufasa dying. When I put it in earlier this week I was surprised at how much happened before he died. And it definitely felt like a 2-act story with Simba as a cub figuring out his role as next in line, then Mufasa dying, then Simba full-grown and acting on the information he had. Definitely wouldn’t trust anyone that points to Ghost Mufasa as the midpoint.

I pulled out the Blu-Ray and checked the times:

  • 3 minutes - baby Simba is proclaimed as heir
  • 21 minutes - elephant graveyard, Mufasa saves them from hyenas
  • 37 minutes - Mufasa is dead
    • 38 minutes - Scar tells Simba to run
  • 61 minutes - Nala tells Simba that Scar has taken over
  • 80 minutes - Simba defeats Scar

Those are pretty spot on, if those are the Story Drivers! ~20 minutes a piece.

One thing I noticed, after the Elephant Graveyard Mufasa actually says “I have to teach my son a lesson!” (and goes on to teach him a lesson about not looking for trouble) Could that be the OS Signpost 2 of Learning?

If so, it could be woven in with the IC Signpost 2 of Preconscious, since the lesson is about being scared vs. brave, and when to be brave (only when you have to).

Definitely agree with Greg that this felt like a 2-Act story – before Mufasa’s death & after.

Hey @jhull, I just tried storyforming it myself and got the same OS & IC signposts (without using them as input, obviously).

Can I ask, is the fact that Simba “just can’t WAIT to be king” part of his MC issue?

EDIT: never mind, I see you posted it to the Atomizer! I got the same storyform! Another point for Mike Narrative First mentoring! :wink:

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So, the Lion King is “Furry Road”?

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And the same as Trainwreck, which I was going to put up as well this week. Makes sense because Simba is basically a trainwreck himself, and Schumer’s avoiding her place in the circle of life :rofl:

FYI @actingpower, I was like you and wanted Lion King to be different from the usual Domain/Concern arrangement. I tried for a minute to see a way for the OS to be in Psychology or for the Concern to be Doing, because it’s always a great learning experience to argue with Jim about a storyform.

But even just the little bits of the film I’d watched to find the Story Driver timings made it pretty clear what the OS Concern / Story Goal was. Especially when you think about Scar.

Also Simba is very clearly a Stop character with a chip on his shoulder, not a hole in his heart, so since he’s a Do-er that points to the OS being internal. MC Growth can be hard to see, but in The Lion King it’s quite apparent.