# Netflix’s Living With Yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** Analysis and Review\ **Created:** [October 28, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652 "2019-10-28T02:06:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/141 "2019-11-04T03:02:31Z")
> [@glennbecker](#): > > It feels like a success to me but I’m happy to be wrong. It feels like a success in the same way that “Frozen” feels like a success, to me. In that, they sell the ending as a success, but they don’t actually employ the _OS Solution_. > [@glennbecker](#): > > Regardless, if we agree on a Universe OS then we also agree it’s not pulled off. I don’t want to keep arguing in circles around a storyform that isn’t there. I don’t know what you mean by “it’s not pulled off” because I don’t know what you think the story goal is, or what kinds of things could even count as a success. (It doesn’t have to be a return to One Miles.) Plus, I think a large part of the storyform is there. It’s not like it has _no_ structure. And, yeah, we’ll see if we scared @Greg off. Or see if someone makes a random comment in 19 months. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/142 "2019-11-04T03:53:03Z")
Still here! But…question…where are we? If still the Os description, I’d say the OS has a problem of an extra Miles existing, and I guess I was looking at a solution of figuring out a way to make this new Universe work. I think, @MWollaeger, you said something about a new attitude making it work maybe next season. That’s kind of what I was wondering if had happened when we the two Miles’s chop up the credenza together. Was that meant to show that they can get along in this new universe now? I take it, Mike, that your answer is no, that’s not what that was about. ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:33am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/143 "2019-11-04T04:33:14Z")
> [@Greg](#): > > you said something about a new attitude making it work maybe next season. That’s kind of what I was wondering if had happened when we the two Miles’s chop up the credenza together. Was that meant to show that they can get along in this new universe now? I don’t know. This is what I want to get to the bottom of. > [@Greg](#): > > where are we? I would like to agree on the Domains and then talk about Concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/144 "2019-11-04T15:36:28Z")
Domains agreed. Os Universe, MC Physics. ---
**Author:** ![glennbecker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/glennbecker/32/1233_2.png) [@glennbecker](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/glennbecker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/145 "2019-11-04T15:53:26Z")
@MWollaeger Boy, am I glad I didn’t use Home Alone as an example of a Universe story that’s actually in a different domain. 😄 > [@Greg](#): > > Domains agreed. Os Universe, MC Physics. Alright. Where do you see the concerns? ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/146 "2019-11-04T17:18:07Z")
I’ll ask again: what is it about New Miles that drives Old Miles crazy? ---
**Author:** ![glennbecker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/glennbecker/32/1233_2.png) [@glennbecker](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/glennbecker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/147 "2019-11-04T17:25:28Z")
He’s better at being him than he is. He’s the better Miles and he doesn’t have to try. I think it would be probably be being with a becoming benchmark (He’s taking over my life!) Conversely, Old Miles isn’t doing anything. He’s not getting work done, not writing his play, not going to the clinic. When he does do things it’s all counterproductive (drinking, watching porn). ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/148 "2019-11-04T17:30:07Z")
Nicely done. I’m going to add one thing to this: what is Old Miles also concerned about? He’s trying to get New Miles _to do his job_. So this forces the OS and RS _Concerns_ too. ---
**Author:** ![glennbecker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/glennbecker/32/1233_2.png) [@glennbecker](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/glennbecker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/149 "2019-11-04T17:35:36Z")
> [@MWollaeger](#): > > So this forces the OS and RS Concerns too. I can see progress in the OS. I’m wondering where you see Preconscious in the marriage. A lack of spontaneity? New Miles spontaneously cooking and whisking away the wife for a trip is pulls her away from old Miles? Pulling her up to dance _just because_ brings them closer? ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/150 "2019-11-04T17:41:06Z")
> [@glennbecker](#): > > I’m wondering where you see Preconscious in the marriage. It’s not exactly a focus. But she spontaneously decides to go on [Da8er.com](http://Da8er.com). Mostly though I see the RS as the Two Miles–and here I see a lot of spontaneous anger popping up. (“You slept with my wife??!” … goes and grabs an ax and runs across the city. Also, the credenza. And Old Miles’s reaction to the play getting rewritten…) ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/151 "2019-11-04T19:02:57Z")
So what would Progress in the Os be? ---
**Author:** ![glennbecker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/glennbecker/32/1233_2.png) [@glennbecker](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/glennbecker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/152 "2019-11-04T19:10:04Z")
The spa being shut down. Making progress on the pitch. The company trying to expand operations. The tide of public opinion changing. The FDA whittling down the cloning division. Those all spring to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/153 "2019-11-04T20:21:56Z")
I don’t remember specifics about some of these. What conflict comes from the spa being shut down? From Progress being made in the pitch (doesn’t seem like they make progress so much as just accept what nM tosses out)? From the FDA being whittled down? ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/154 "2019-11-04T20:57:00Z")
I would say that Progress shows up in the OS mostly when we are talking about the family. They establish in the episode where Kate is the focus that they moved to the suburbs to grow and start a family. They are making no progress. It’s not a Present problem, they aren’t having trouble being a family per se—they’re not having trouble paying this month’s rent, or buying food. But Kate is fed up and things are headed in a bad direction. Miles not going to get his sperm tested is not a present problem—it’s a refusal to make progress. Also, Miles isn’t progressing in his job, and when New Miles shows up and is making progress that actually creates problems. At work, Old Miles has a presentation to decipher and he can’t make any progress on it. The success of the pitch is tied to a promotion: progress within the company. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/155 "2019-11-04T20:59:14Z")
Ok, got it. Now I’m on board there, too. ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/156 "2019-11-04T21:50:29Z")
Progress is always a bit weird to suss out since all movies progress (and get worse) as the story builds. Who wants to take a stab at the _Issues_? ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/157 "2019-11-04T23:35:55Z")
I’m forgetting a good bit of it at this point, but what stands out to me most in the OS is Threat-the Miles’ threatening to report the spa, the FDA vaguely threatening Miles, and the competitor at the vote threatening a lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![glennbecker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/glennbecker/32/1233_2.png) [@glennbecker](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/glennbecker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/158 "2019-11-05T00:16:16Z")
I can see that. Dan being threatened by New Miles getting the spotlight. How do you feel about the elements under that thought? Do you feel strong about Theory / Hunch / Determination / Expectation? I think Skill is pretty strong for Miles, since he actually isn’t very skilled at what he wants to do (his play stinks). I don’t know how I feel about Effect / Cause / Test / Trust though. ---
**Author:** ![MWollaeger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/mwollaeger/32/82_2.png) [@MWollaeger](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/MWollaeger)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/159 "2019-11-05T00:45:57Z")
> [@Greg](#): > > Miles’ threatening to report the spa, the FDA vaguely threatening Miles, and the competitor at the vote threatening a lawsuit. Those sound a lot like _subject matter_ to me. But, subject matter and issues (don’t quote me) seem to show up together a lot. So let’s run with this. > [@glennbecker](#): > > I think Skill is pretty strong for Miles, Oh no! We can’t have Threat/Skill as a thematic combo! We have a couple of choices here. We can pick one of the _dynamic pairs_ associated with _Threat_ or _Skill_ (since most thematic arguments are usually explored with point/counterpoint) and see if that helps us think. Or, we can look to the issues below each one and see if that helps us think. I’ll let you choose… ---
**Author:** ![glennbecker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/glennbecker/32/1233_2.png) [@glennbecker](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/glennbecker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652/160 "2019-11-05T00:54:27Z")
> [@MWollaeger](#): > > We can’t have Threat/Skill as a thematic combo! I know. That’s why I was asking if he felt good about the problem elements under threat. 😄 I think Threat / Security (more like insecurity) are strong for OS. Fact and Fantasy are there too. The whole pitch is kind of this imaginary, dream world where we’re all a big family, when really it’s for a company run by a guy who sold an innocent kid out to Nazis so he could get more food. I’ll have to wait until I can look at elements again though. [Previous page](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652.md?page=7) [Next page](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/netflix-s-living-with-yourself/2652.md?page=9)