# Preconscious vs subconscious **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [June 15, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858 "2018-06-15T20:52:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/1 "2018-06-15T20:52:23Z")
Sorry, I know I’ve seen this somewhere before, but am having trouble finding it. Is it on the right track to think of Preconscious as acting before or without thinking and Subconscious as feeling before or without thinking? And is guilt a subconscious concern, as in ‘if I hadn’t done that, he wouldn’t have died’? ---
**Author:** ![jhull](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/jhull/32/3_2.png) [@jhull](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/jhull)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/2 "2018-06-15T23:45:30Z")
Guilt is usually memory. The fragile ego that develops from guilt is subconscious. The preconscious is overreacting to a trigger stimulus with roots in the guilt. Conscious is just why so I feel guilty? (Or where does guilt lie lol) ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@Greg](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/3 "2018-06-16T00:27:40Z")
To say thanks wouldn’t be enough…because it doesn’t get me to twenty characters. Thanks, Jim! ---
**Author:** ![GetSchwifty](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/getschwifty/32/2581_2.png) [@GetSchwifty](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/GetSchwifty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/4 "2018-06-16T01:09:03Z")
your Padawan is saving this. ---
**Author:** ![whitepaws](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/whitepaws/32/1038_2.png) [@whitepaws](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/whitepaws)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 7:45am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/5 "2018-06-23T07:45:08Z")
> [@jhull](#): > > Guilt is usually memory You see, when it comes to illustrating the storypoints, statements like this get me worried I’m not illustrating to the full extent that I can - because I’m not aware of the full extent of what a storypoint can be. How or why is guilt Memory? ---
**Author:** ![jassnip](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/jassnip/32/452_2.png) [@jassnip](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/jassnip)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/6 "2018-06-23T15:57:19Z")
Well, because if you don’t remember having done something you are not okay with then you don’t feel guilt. Although I would say that’s not necessarily true. Some character could get blackout drunk and beat the snot out of his friend and then realize the next day what he’s done. He doesn’t remember it, but he’d still prolly feel guilty. The question becomes can you feel guilt over something you are doing, or are going to do. I’m thinking in this case of Dom from Fast 8, does he feel guilty for “appearing” to turn on the team? Maybe but the stake of the safety of his son is a higher priority than the guilt/betrayal. ---
**Author:** ![whitepaws](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/whitepaws/32/1038_2.png) [@whitepaws](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/whitepaws)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/preconscious-vs-subconscious/1858/7 "2018-06-24T08:17:09Z")
Thanks! I can see how looking at a state deeper can help put it in the right storypoint. Though I would’ve automatically put guilt in Subconscious, I also see the placement depends on how it’s depicted which will determine the storypoint it can be illustrating.