# Secrets of the quad, understanding the working of the problem quad at a deeper level - my take on some things my Melanie Anne Philips **URL:** \ **Category:** Dramatica Theory\ **Created:** [June 16, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/secrets-of-the-quad-understanding-the-working-of-the-problem-quad-at-a-deeper-level-my-take-on-some-things-my-melanie-anne-philips/1860 "2018-06-16T10:20:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![samuelogeda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/samuelogeda/32/792_2.png) [@samuelogeda](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/samuelogeda)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/secrets-of-the-quad-understanding-the-working-of-the-problem-quad-at-a-deeper-level-my-take-on-some-things-my-melanie-anne-philips/1860/1 "2018-06-16T10:20:05Z")
@jhull **Is the positioning of the terms consistent throughout the model in this way i’ve outlined below?** Does the term in the top left always represent an external state? Does the term in the bottom right always represent an internal state? Does the term in the top right always an external process? Does the term in the bottom left always represent an internal process? ~-~ Can I conclude that actuality functions as knowledge, mass and an external state in the universe class? Is actuality seen as a form of knowledge, mass, and an external state in the psychology class? Is actuality seen as a form of space, ability and an external process in the mind class? Is actuality seen as a form of knowledge, mass and an external state in the physics class? Is this an accurate assessment of defining a problem, and solution in a quad? Can I conclude that actuality in dramatica can only be seen as an external state or process in some form regardless of the class it falls under? **Can I conclude that?** **Mind** Memory is a form of knowledge, mass and external state. Conscious is a form of thought, energy and an internal state Preconscious is a form of ability, space and an external process Subconscious is a form of desire, time and an internal process **Psychology** Conceptualizing is a form of knowledge, mass and external state. Conceiving is a form of thought, energy and an internal state Being is a form of ability, space and an external process Becoming is a form of desire, time and an internal process **Universe** Past is a form of knowledge, mass and external state. Present is a form of thought, energy and an internal state Progress is a form of ability, space and an external process Future is a form of desire, time and an internal process **Physics** Understanding is a form of knowledge, mass and external state. Learning is a form of thought, energy and an internal state Doing is a form of ability, space and an external process Obtaining is a form of desire, time and an internal process ---
**Author:** ![actingpower](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/actingpower/32/2201_2.png) [@actingpower](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/actingpower)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/secrets-of-the-quad-understanding-the-working-of-the-problem-quad-at-a-deeper-level-my-take-on-some-things-my-melanie-anne-philips/1860/2 "2018-06-16T23:07:55Z")
Short answer, yes. Longer answer: The knowledge, thought, ability, and desire quad are fundamental to the theory, and they echo into every quad throughout. And since your other relationships attach to KTAD, the proof follows from there. Sometimes the relationship is quirky, or it isn’t particularly useful towards understanding that quad, but the relationship is there. I believe that answers your question. ---
**Author:** ![Hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba9def/32.png) [@Hunter](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/Hunter)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/secrets-of-the-quad-understanding-the-working-of-the-problem-quad-at-a-deeper-level-my-take-on-some-things-my-melanie-anne-philips/1860/3 "2018-06-17T01:43:41Z")
In addition to @actingpower’s answer, I’d like to add that I believe I’ve heard Jim or Melanie report that the relationship of the Element quads to KTAD may be rotated. That is, that for some Element quads, the upper-left is not necessarily Knowledge, the upper-right not necessarily Ability, etc. So, going with this idea may help down to the Variation/Issue level, but could lead to invalid conclusions below that. ---
**Author:** ![samuelogeda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/samuelogeda/32/792_2.png) [@samuelogeda](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/samuelogeda)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 4:58am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/secrets-of-the-quad-understanding-the-working-of-the-problem-quad-at-a-deeper-level-my-take-on-some-things-my-melanie-anne-philips/1860/4 "2018-06-17T04:58:18Z")
@Hunter I’ve thought about it more. One can flip how they think you ktad in relation to the terms below class level, (though I think you can apply it to the class quad but it could be confusing). At the lower levels below the class levels I think you can also flip the understanding of whether you see a particular term as: an internal state or external state An internal process or external process The diagonals can change position but the dynamic pairing is what remains consistent. An internal state and an external process cannot be a dynamic pair. ---
**Author:** ![samuelogeda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex010/user_avatar/discuss.dramatica.com/samuelogeda/32/792_2.png) [@samuelogeda](https://discuss.dramatica.com/u/samuelogeda)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://discuss.dramatica.com/t/secrets-of-the-quad-understanding-the-working-of-the-problem-quad-at-a-deeper-level-my-take-on-some-things-my-melanie-anne-philips/1860/5 "2018-06-17T04:59:50Z")
I think you can choose to see and dynamic pair as either an internal state (thought, should) or external state (knowledge, need) Or an internal process (desire, want) or external process (ability, can)