Complete "All DQS Topics" Analysis Examples?

"Jim Hull - you probably know him and he is here on Google, and he has taught college courses in Dramatica and works for the studios - he has done many analyses himself and was the builder of the current Dramatica.com web site, so he may be even a better source than Chris to find out if there are any analyses as you describe. " – you’ve been praised, @jhull :smile:

Can you assist in this matter?

I am not sure where to look for something so comprehensive. Not just the complete storyform analysis, but every item filled in at professional quality as an example to reference and learn from.

Thus, making sure that the Coverage information and such is also complete with examples. I want to be able to practice complete analyses for presentation.

Thanks :smile:

Of course, if anyone else knows where to look, feel free to share! :wink:

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I’m… not totally sure what you’re getting at. If you want complete storyform analyses, you can find them by searching “Comprehensive” under analysis here on dramatica.com, here. I recommend the Charlotte’s Web one, the Hamlet one, or the Star Wars ones to get started. If that doesn’t float your boat, you can also check out the movie reviews on NarrativeFirst, though they’re much more spotty. The one on Frozen is quite good, though, with my favorite part being the note of Anna’s Critical Flaw being Attraction (though Jim doesn’t notice that Anna is also inexorably drawn to Elsa as well as Hans, which is part of what causes her grief). Anyways, if there’s any movie you’d like to talk about, I’m sure the fine folks around here (myself included) would be totally cool with working with you on it. :smile:

Thank you @actingpower

I read the Comprehensive analysis (they are in my Dramatica Examples as well). I read Narrative First (not all, but some). I’ll check out Charlotte’s Web for fun, but let me give you a bit more information on my question.

I own Dramatica Pro and the Dramatica Query System includes the Story Guides and everything (?) you can get a report for.

I use the All DQS Topics to play around with Dramatica For Screenwriters “Instant Dramatica” Brief Story Synopsis to see if I like the story idea in a nutshell.

But there are many things there that I would need more resources to understand how to become proficient:

Basically everything in the Analysis and Coverage Reports (which come under “Introduction” in DQS) where specifically, the Coverage Report is “designed to assist professional readers in submitting an appraisal of a story.”

So, if I want to get better at being a professional reader (and better analyst) of stories, then I would like some direction.

It thought that there might be comprehensive coverage at that level (not just comprehensive analysis of the storyform). Does that make sense?

Cheers. :smile:

@Chadwick look up @MWollaeger complete and very thorough analysis of Lord of the Flies. It is very good.

Thanks @SPotter for the woot-woot.

Thanks @SPotter

I have often looked at the Comprehensive analyses on here. What I am lacking is an example of a story where ALL fields are filled in so that every Report is covered. I think this would require an example story written in Dramatica and then Analyzed/Covered by a reader giving all those different comments and judgments and writing synopses and Loglines and everything. I remember looking at @MWollaeger 's Lord of the Flies several times, because I know the story well enough to follow it through. Good stuff. Still, to be able to find a resource for giving good feedback when reading what others have written… that’s what I need. It may be beyond this site. I may be asking about something I will have to go talk to a few universities about.

Well, enjoy life. :smile:

You’re looking for something that doesn’t exist. The analysis on the site and elsewhere do enough to help qualify the storyform found for each particular narrative. Diving in to greater detail would be overkill.

I didn’t really expect that it would be here in the analysis section. But asked because you were the “go to” person. If it doesn’t exist, I wonder what it is for in the software, so I’ll have to ask Write Brothers. :smile:

Cheers

Dear Chadwick:

if your interest is in learning how to write script coverage at a professional level, you should know that Dramatica’s “Coverage” function will give you about 200 times more material than you will ever need for the typical coverage report. I’ve written TONS of professional coverage, and the longest piece they EVER wanted from me was five pages (two pages was the more-typical expectation).

I can send you some of my sample coverages, but I recommend you first do a Google search for “writing professional coverage.” You’ll initially note lots of listings for your “professional coverage” competitors (there are lots of them, with many years of experience). But if you keep digging down, you will definitely find several helpful blogs written by script analysts or producers.

Or you can look up “writing script coverage” on Amazon.com; there’s a few helpful listings there. And look around on LinkedIn.com or other forum groups, and follow the Tweets of the BitterReader. And read the blogs at ScriptShadow.net. They’re not exactly “coverage,” but they do include script summaries and reader notes.

Overall, I’d say it’s better to learn Dramatica to build your own story-crafting abilities, not as a coverage help. Because the vast majority of spec scripts submitted to Hollywood cannot seriously withstand even the first rank of Dramatica questions, much less the more in-depth stuff.

And for a producer who just wants a real quick “take” on whether he received any scripts worth reading this week, a script analyst who writes overlong restructuring notes in “Dramatica-speak” will just frustrate and overload him.

That’s my take, because I learned Dramatica while writing years of coverage, and generally found my analyses had to be simple and use common Hollywood story jargon (rather than Dramatica terms), or the busy, cut-and-dried producer didn’t want any more of me. Just sayin’…

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One more happy face emoji and I’m pulling the plug.

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@keypayton - sounds good. Thanks for the feedback. I have gotten so many good responses (via e-mail mostly) and you have added to them.

@jhull - what is emoji? As for happy faces, they are available here as options. Is there somewhere it say says not to emote what you are saying? Your comments could benefit from a smiley face. I usually read them as if you are happy and smiling trying to be helpful. People are the best. Hope you are not getting swamped these holidays. My wife had a weight lifted when the semester of grad school ended. It was a happy change.

Cheers to you both.

Oh my Lord. I’m starting to feel like Chadwick is really Craig Mazin in disguise :slight_smile:

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