Innermost Desires VS Impulsive Responses

For the MIND class
To figure out MC/IC moral compass that results in their differences (pro-life angelic character / not-worthy-of-living grim reaper type character) and creating conflict-riddled scene :

Are innermost desires like the cognitive desires coming from displaced wants?
And Impulsive responses like automatic emotional responses?
Or the other way around?

The two oppose each other in the Mind quad as benchmark (plot) vs IC concern and static story cost

Hi @girijaa, welcome.

Regarding the difference between Innermost Desires (Subconscious) and Impulsive Responses (Preconscious) it sounds like you’ve got it right. You could do a search and find lots of long discussions here about the theory behind it, but I find it easier to understand through the gists:

Subconscious:

  • Being Afraid of Something
  • Being Devoted
  • Having a Phobia
  • Wishing for True Love
  • Hating Someone
  • Craving Love
  • Fearing Someone
  • Being Fond of a Particular Group

Preconscious:

  • Responding Inappropriately
  • Being Fainthearted
  • Being Jumpy
  • Cringing
  • Reacting Spontaneously
  • Being Calm
  • Jumping at Loud Noises
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I remember it being said at a Dramatica workshop that Michael, when he was waiting outside of the hospital striking up a match and then smoking a cigarette, was ‘preconscious’. Would that be your ‘being calm’ in that case?

I think so. Though also “being nervous” or “having a panic attack” or “being drunk” are also probably potential sources of conflict that fall under Preconscious.

Invaluable!
Thank you
The theory was clogging up my brain
So preconscious is almost written into the text and becomes the personality of the character
I will explain what I mean in this dialogue
[ “Explained what?” Hele lights his pipe–something that I never allowed.
“That I was working for a woman who is experiencing reality-failure.”
Reaper checks me out for an outburst of the choleric humors]

In this case – the ‘never allowed’ as well as the ‘checks me out’ would indicate a preconscious control issue in the case of the woman

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I am sensing something like a distinction between innate character and acquired character…

I know how you feel! We’ve all been there. The theory is overwhelming at first, and it can be difficult to zero in on what you actually should focus on.

It’s tricky – I do think that storypoints often end up as part of what we think of as the personality of the character, but the real purpose – their usefulness – is as sources of conflict ascribed to that particular perspective.

Rather than try to explain, here are some article series by @jhull that I’ve found very helpful if you have a chance to check them out. The playground exercises are useful not just for coming up with new ideas, but for demonstrating how to actually illustrate storypoints as sources of conflict that drive the story forward. Armando’s Dramatica For Screenwriters has a lot of good examples of this too, though he’s less explicit in explaining how the illustrations are sources of conflict.


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There are a lot of ways to use IC Concern of Preconscious. And I’m sorry I don’t totally understand what you mean by “plot” here, so I’m going to have to wing that.

If you look at a story as a character pushed to their extremes—which makes sense because what other series of events would test their way of doing/being—then what a concern can mean is not exactly their personality but rather how one corner of their personality is being forced to the surface.

But it’s not always so direct. Let’s say your MC (the CEO of a company) witnesses a manager annoy his underlings. The manager might not specifically be expressing Preconscious—maybe he’s just a huge jerk, but people stomach it because they don’t want to lose their jobs. So the underlings grin and bear it: they use Preconscious to repress their desire to lash out.

In this case, we’ve witnessed a personality and preconscious but they’re not the same thing. It’s just the fabric of the story.

In the same set-up, a benchmark of subconscious could be the underlings’ desire for respect. It could be the manager’s need to fear-monger.

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The discussion has been good for me (and hopefully for the novel). It helps me make small tweaks to increase conflict and discern the meaning I want to leave the audience with…

I think I meant progression when I said plot (though I probably had subconsicous understandings of the term as the skeleton that moves the story forward) and (for me) a part of what could keep transitions smooth

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