Well, he does forget his gloves. That’s actually a good catch. Memory would feel stronger for me in the fourth signpost when he’s on the train remembering his family and then Del.
Maybe we should discuss the story driver.
Maybe that deliberation by the boss that makes him late is a hint at a decision driver?
When people think of Memory, they always default to remembering or forgetting. I’ve found suppression to be more indicative of this viewpoint. Basically, bottling it all in (Kevin Bacon scene)
Ahhhh… So basically everything in the first act is that, right?
Waiting to speak up about the ridiculous boss
Kevin’s Bacon stealing his car
Tripping over the trunk and internalizing it
(Though… he does explode and go after the Cab with Del in it, right?)
But then it continues… he tries to brush off the first interaction with Del which about remembering where he saw him. But more to the point–he’s suppressing how upset he was about it all.
He doesn’t say anything to either of the people on the plane who are sleeping on him…
I wish Suppression was more prominent in the definition of Memory, because you’re totally right–the default is to go to Memories or Forgetting.
Also, the more I look at Del, I really like Repulsion a lot more than Impulsive Responses. Yes he did a few impulsive things, but the real meat of it is that they were repulsive.
I think it’s funny that a summary of Jim’s work at Narrative First is included in the film.
“And by the way, you know, when you’re telling these little stories? Here’s a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!”
Looks like we all feel good about where we ended up. In the spirit of the season, thanks @JohnDusenberry and @jhull for joining me. Like Planes, Trains and Automobiles it was a fun road with a lot of learning.
Thinking of Memory-ing as a process… Would you say suppression is an example of Memory in the sense that instead of responding to something, or dealing with something, one instead commits the incident to memory? More like it’s a form of memorization? Internalizing something as response?
Memory:
Remembering, Memorizing, Forgetting or Suppressing something.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I meant! Filing it away in your mind instead of somehow dealing with it in another way.
It’s a problem/process of Mind, right? So it’s committing it to that knowledge area vs. impulsively responding to it, or the thing drudging up something from your subconscious, or just thinking about the thing.
Totally! Then, as your vault starts filling up with things you aren’t dealing with, it will start spilling out into one of the other three. Pretty cool way to think of the act progressions.
I would wager that if you asked 1,000 people who saw the movie, “What is the plot goal of the movie?” they would all answer, “getting home for Thanksgiving.”
In Dramatica’s structure, where (if anywhere) is “getting home for Thanksgiving”? Is it a non-Dramatica “apparent goal”?
Does getting home vs not getting home affect the failure/success of the storyform? Or any other part of the storyform? Would the storyform be the same if, say, Neal had learned what is important but had Thanksgiving dinner with Del in a diner far from Neal’s home & family?
Difference between what happened and WHY it happened.
Character’s experience vs. Author’s Intent.
The storyform is meaning. Truth organized. So, getting home is inessential to the meaning of the plot. Your example is great—you could do the storyform just like you said and the story would mean the same thing.
In fact, you could probably have him Learn that his family just even worth the trouble, and that having friends is what is most important. He could stop pushing people away, and just accept that there are greater relationships to be had elsewhere
If you watch / listen to the Users Group analysis for Edge of Tomorrow (same storyform) they hit the same issue with the concern. I think most people would say “defeating the aliens” for that movie, which feels like Doing or Obtaining.