Planes, Trains and Automobiles

I think it’s funny that a summary of Jim’s work at Narrative First is included in the film.

“And by the way, you know, when you’re telling these little stories? Here’s a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!” :joy:

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LOLOL - I never noticed that…but YES!

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Looks like we all feel good about where we ended up. In the spirit of the season, thanks @JohnDusenberry and @jhull for joining me. Like Planes, Trains and Automobiles it was a fun road with a lot of learning. :slight_smile:

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Thinking of Memory-ing as a process… Would you say suppression is an example of Memory in the sense that instead of responding to something, or dealing with something, one instead commits the incident to memory? More like it’s a form of memorization? Internalizing something as response?

Memory:
Remembering, Memorizing, Forgetting or Suppressing something.

I don’t want to step on Jim’s toes, but when he said memory is like suppression, it clicked for me as “mentally filing something away”.

Like putting it away in the safe instead of dealing with it directly.

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Yeah, that’s exactly what I meant! Filing it away in your mind instead of somehow dealing with it in another way.

It’s a problem/process of Mind, right? So it’s committing it to that knowledge area vs. impulsively responding to it, or the thing drudging up something from your subconscious, or just thinking about the thing.

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Totally! Then, as your vault starts filling up with things you aren’t dealing with, it will start spilling out into one of the other three. Pretty cool way to think of the act progressions. :smile:

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“Six bucks and my right nut says” the area it spills out into is always in the direction of the Z, N, U, etc. pattern for that Throughline.

Neal:
S1: Suppressing everything that comes his way, until…
S2: Exploding at Del at the hotel, Exploding at the ticket agent, until…
… etc.

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For sure. I want to watch some more MC Mind movies now and see where that Memory beat lands and how it plays out.

I know Train To Busan has the same MC Signpost order. Also about a Dad who works too much. Just with more zombies.

It’s cool how well that’s clicked for me.

Memory-ing is the process of filing and retrieving. So many more sources of conflict when you see that it’s a two way street.

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I would wager that if you asked 1,000 people who saw the movie, “What is the plot goal of the movie?” they would all answer, “getting home for Thanksgiving.”

In Dramatica’s structure, where (if anywhere) is “getting home for Thanksgiving”? Is it a non-Dramatica “apparent goal”?

Does getting home vs not getting home affect the failure/success of the storyform? Or any other part of the storyform? Would the storyform be the same if, say, Neal had learned what is important but had Thanksgiving dinner with Del in a diner far from Neal’s home & family?

4 posts were split to a new topic: Difference between Conscious and Consider

Difference between what happened and WHY it happened.

Character’s experience vs. Author’s Intent.

The storyform is meaning. Truth organized. So, getting home is inessential to the meaning of the plot. Your example is great—you could do the storyform just like you said and the story would mean the same thing.

In fact, you could probably have him Learn that his family just even worth the trouble, and that having friends is what is most important. He could stop pushing people away, and just accept that there are greater relationships to be had elsewhere :rofl:

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If you watch / listen to the Users Group analysis for Edge of Tomorrow (same storyform) they hit the same issue with the concern. I think most people would say “defeating the aliens” for that movie, which feels like Doing or Obtaining.

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Yeah. It’s the same thing that happened when I first opened up Dramatica…well, of course it’s Obtaining, what story isn’t about Obtaining something! :rofl:

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It might be worth adding that Doing is a Benchmark and Requirement. “Making the trip home” could fit nicely for either.

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