In short, I uploaded the script for The Avengers and then asked:
storyforming: please review the uploaded screenplay and determine the top possible 3 storyforms that might apply to this story. identify missing storypoints and suggest improvements to fix them. give a percentage for each storyform, and the aspects and why you would pick that storyform
This is the first time I saw the AI keep going back and back and back to the Storyform Builder to try and figure it out.
Awesome! I’d love to hear what it says. For Civil War, I’m still in the Steve as MC camp, because in that crucial moment when we find Steve knew the secret of Tony’s parents death, it feels like a crazy jarring disconnect for me. I also interviewed 8 other people and they all agreed with me (both about the jarring disconnect, and that they felt more in “Steve’s shoes” throughout the whole movie than Tony’s).
But I can see the Tony argument as well; I actually think it’s possible to try and put yourself in his shoes when you re-watch, and feel differently about the above. Personally I think the Author’s Intent here may be a bit jumbled, but it’s a fascinating thing to think about. Eager to hear Narrova’s thoughts after it reads the script.
Personally, I don’t want to hear Narrova’s thoughts because it will probably say I’m wrong… but I can’t find the script ANYWHERE! Spent a good hour or so yesterday searching for it, but can’t seem to locate it. So if anyone has a copy…
Haha. Note, one potential point in favor of Tony as MC: I and the 8 people I interviewed all felt like it was an awesome story, right up until the fight between them at the end, which seemed stupid and contrived. So if people who feel in Tony’s shoes when they watch, actually enjoy the climax and find the character motivations believable, that’s a sign that Tony is supposed to be the MC.
(Whichever storyform it is, it doesn’t seem to be communicated perfectly.)
Sorry I don’t have the script either. For a second I thought I found it, but it was the 2024 Civil War (Alex Garland).
Sorry to ask this question @jhull but is there any risk that Narrova would be biased in its answer from that long thread? I realize you can tell it not to search the database or the Internet, but it’s still using “general knowledge” about the movie from its training, right? I would suspect that any general knowledge an LLM might have about Dramatica and Civil War would include that thread (how many other discussions like that are out there?)
The way to test it would be to pull up the same screenplay into Chat and see what it says in response. There is certainly a lot of bias behind the scenes more towards Dramatica, and more weight given to Narrova’s instructions, but I assume there is some “leakage” that falls into play there as well.
I could also re-prompt it and say don’t use any of your training data, just read from the source to determine - that’s a good point.
storyforming: please review the uploaded screenplay and determine the top possible 3 storyforms that might apply to this story. Avoid being biased by anything you have in your training data about this film, and instead rely strictly on what you read in the uploaded text above. identify missing storypoints and suggest improvements to fix them. give a percentage for each storyform, and the aspects and why you would pick that storyform
And got the relatively “same” answer, but different percentages…which answers @GetSchwifty question from the Genji thread — same conclusion, with slight variations…
Note, one potential point in favor of Tony as MC: I and the 8 people I interviewed all felt like it was an awesome story, right up until the fight between them at the end, which seemed stupid and contrived. So if people who feel in Tony’s shoes when they watch, actually enjoy the climax and find the character motivations believable, that’s a sign that Tony is supposed to be the MC.
